[KIckstarter] Age of Empires III: The Age of Discovery

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Re: [KS FUTURO] Age of Empires III: The Age of Discovery

Messaggioda Agzaroth » 14 feb 2015, 8:16

Capricornus ha scritto:Ma se io volessi soltanto le miniature per il 6 giocatore che faccio?

Aspetti che escano retail.
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Re: [KS FUTURO] Age of Empires III: The Age of Discovery

Messaggioda Agzaroth » 14 feb 2015, 8:33

Erik ha scritto:No ragazzi non danno assolutamente l'espansione builder.... per la bellezza di 88$ ti danno solo:

BUILDER (THE DELUXE UPGRADE)--
- una nuova scatola con all'interno divisori speciali.
- La nuova mappa
- Le tavole con i poteri speciali dei vari popoli
- 2 overlay dei porti così non devi mettere la nave
- Fogli per tenere i punti
- Nuovi edifici e cambio dei vecchi
- Nuove 20 pagine di regolamento
- 3 quick reference
- 16 nuove carte
- tutti gli stretch goal che si liberano (che non ho ancora capito che cavolo siano)

Erik, gli sg servono a sbloccare gli upgrade. Ovvero qui non c'è un vero costo di fondazione, ma tutte le migliorie (sesto giocatore, monete in plastica e poi in metallo, plance rimovibili, tessere da 8mm, ecc) vengono sbloccate all'aumentare del pledge totale dei backers.
L'espansione Builder è già star sbloccata a 35000 e ti dà i Builders, il sesto giocatore e quanto scritto qui sotto:

2) The Builder Expansion. This expansion was printed in 2011 and is nearly out of print as well. The committee thought it would be most desirable to combine the Builder Expansion (MSRP $40 in 2011) with the original base game (MSRP $60 in 2007). The Builder Expansion added 130 figurines, including a new specialist, the builder, and a new color for a sixth player (purple). It also added new Capital Buildings, and National Advantages for each country.

Come hanno strutturato il ks è un po' confusionario, ma il succo è questo.
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Re: [KS FUTURO] Age of Empires III: The Age of Discovery

Messaggioda Chironis » 14 feb 2015, 10:32

Agzaroth ha scritto:Come hanno strutturato il ks è un po' confusionario, ma il succo è questo.


Sbloccati i 90k. Immagino sarai contento che si sblocchi prima il bianco... :rotfl:
Ma 7° e 8° colore sono solo per la scelta della fazione o ci saranno regole per giocare in 7 o 8? :pippotto:
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Re: [KIckstarter] Age of Empires III: The Age of Discovery

Messaggioda Agzaroth » 14 feb 2015, 11:38

Le due fazioni bianca e nera (Danimarca e Prussia) hanno la loro regoletta speciale come le altre 6.

...maledetti...prima il bianco...
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Re: [KIckstarter] Age of Empires III: The Age of Discovery

Messaggioda Agzaroth » 14 feb 2015, 15:40

Si sono beccati un bel cazziatone circa 5 ore fa.

Eric Muldoon about 5 hours ago

@ creator: The only reason I'm backing this game is because I had fond memories playing this and Francis Drake with my father before he died and I would like to pass that memory on. I sold the original when I found out it was being reprinted from a rep at GMX before any details were released.

I find your misrepresentation of the stretch goals to be a deplorable act so this will be that final game I purchase from Eagle no matter how high in the future one of your new games climb on BGG. Prentending that this and that will cost that and this for a game already in production and being released by a major producer through all normal retail channels is preposterous. You know full well that in order to make money on this reprint in the sum your hoping required some major revamping to compete with all the games coming out. You played us with the stretch goals just haphazardly assigning arbitrary number.

However, by far the most aggregators act this far has been the BS with the metal coins. If you actually planned on including them for $115 to make the game have an actual "deluxe" component, you would have pinned it to a real stretch goal based on your target profit margin. You can't expect us to believe this whole thing with the coins is based on some lack of information on your part because you're not some two bit upstart and this is as you say your 60th rodeo. Playing coy and pretending that the coins might be included for free is a lie. So why don't you do everyone a favor and stop insulting our intelligence and put the various cost for the add on based on the various level of sales up front instead of jerking everyone around and using such a ploy to get people interested.

I already have coins from Medieval Collectibles, some plated in real gold, so it doesn't make much difference to me except that I can give them to a friend. My concern is keeping you honest, which you toe the line in some case and cross right over on others.

Finally, telling people that the only exclusive thing about this project is the great price is also very dubious considering your company's past track record. For example, my friend gave you $60 up front for a copy of Through the Ages only to find out later that you saturated the market with so many copies at the online retail level it was selling everywhere for $41.99, 45.88...39.99. And of course, if you bought another game, then you got free shipping to go with your $40 vs. $60 game. This says nothing for the time value of money of him forking the money over months in advance to a major producer who doesn't even need the money to get their game made...unlike some more deserving upstarts trying to make a name for themselves and don't have your ridiculous resources.

You have reduced Kistarter to a platform for advertising and that I can forgive you. What I can't forgive is how you jerk around your customers insulting their intelligence and so often piss on them and then tell them it's raining.

It is about time you start doing things the "right" way, up front and honest...don't you think?
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Re: [KIckstarter] Age of Empires III: The Age of Discovery

Messaggioda traico7 » 14 feb 2015, 16:06

Agzaroth ha scritto:Si sono beccati un bel cazziatone circa 5 ore fa.

Eric Muldoon about 5 hours ago

@ creator: The only reason I'm backing this game is because I had fond memories playing this and Francis Drake with my father before he died and I would like to pass that memory on. I sold the original when I found out it was being reprinted from a rep at GMX before any details were released.

I find your misrepresentation of the stretch goals to be a deplorable act so this will be that final game I purchase from Eagle no matter how high in the future one of your new games climb on BGG. Prentending that this and that will cost that and this for a game already in production and being released by a major producer through all normal retail channels is preposterous. You know full well that in order to make money on this reprint in the sum your hoping required some major revamping to compete with all the games coming out. You played us with the stretch goals just haphazardly assigning arbitrary number.

However, by far the most aggregators act this far has been the BS with the metal coins. If you actually planned on including them for $115 to make the game have an actual "deluxe" component, you would have pinned it to a real stretch goal based on your target profit margin. You can't expect us to believe this whole thing with the coins is based on some lack of information on your part because you're not some two bit upstart and this is as you say your 60th rodeo. Playing coy and pretending that the coins might be included for free is a lie. So why don't you do everyone a favor and stop insulting our intelligence and put the various cost for the add on based on the various level of sales up front instead of jerking everyone around and using such a ploy to get people interested.

I already have coins from Medieval Collectibles, some plated in real gold, so it doesn't make much difference to me except that I can give them to a friend. My concern is keeping you honest, which you toe the line in some case and cross right over on others.

Finally, telling people that the only exclusive thing about this project is the great price is also very dubious considering your company's past track record. For example, my friend gave you $60 up front for a copy of Through the Ages only to find out later that you saturated the market with so many copies at the online retail level it was selling everywhere for $41.99, 45.88...39.99. And of course, if you bought another game, then you got free shipping to go with your $40 vs. $60 game. This says nothing for the time value of money of him forking the money over months in advance to a major producer who doesn't even need the money to get their game made...unlike some more deserving upstarts trying to make a name for themselves and don't have your ridiculous resources.

You have reduced Kistarter to a platform for advertising and that I can forgive you. What I can't forgive is how you jerk around your customers insulting their intelligence and so often piss on them and then tell them it's raining.

It is about time you start doing things the "right" way, up front and honest...don't you think?

Ci ho provato ma proprio non ci capisco niente.. Riassunto?
L'importante è vincere o partecipare??? Nessuna delle due... L'importante è giocare con le regole giuste...
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Re: [KIckstarter] Age of Empires III: The Age of Discovery

Messaggioda Chironis » 14 feb 2015, 19:23

Agzaroth ha scritto:Si sono beccati un bel cazziatone circa 5 ore fa.

Eric Muldoon about 5 hours ago

@ creator: The only reason I'm backing this game is because I had fond memories playing this and Francis Drake with my father before he died and I would like to pass that memory on. I sold the original when I found out it was being reprinted from a rep at GMX before any details were released.

I find your misrepresentation of the stretch goals to be a deplorable act so this will be that final game I purchase from Eagle no matter how high in the future one of your new games climb on BGG. Prentending that this and that will cost that and this for a game already in production and being released by a major producer through all normal retail channels is preposterous. You know full well that in order to make money on this reprint in the sum your hoping required some major revamping to compete with all the games coming out. You played us with the stretch goals just haphazardly assigning arbitrary number.

However, by far the most aggregators act this far has been the BS with the metal coins. If you actually planned on including them for $115 to make the game have an actual "deluxe" component, you would have pinned it to a real stretch goal based on your target profit margin. You can't expect us to believe this whole thing with the coins is based on some lack of information on your part because you're not some two bit upstart and this is as you say your 60th rodeo. Playing coy and pretending that the coins might be included for free is a lie. So why don't you do everyone a favor and stop insulting our intelligence and put the various cost for the add on based on the various level of sales up front instead of jerking everyone around and using such a ploy to get people interested.

I already have coins from Medieval Collectibles, some plated in real gold, so it doesn't make much difference to me except that I can give them to a friend. My concern is keeping you honest, which you toe the line in some case and cross right over on others.

Finally, telling people that the only exclusive thing about this project is the great price is also very dubious considering your company's past track record. For example, my friend gave you $60 up front for a copy of Through the Ages only to find out later that you saturated the market with so many copies at the online retail level it was selling everywhere for $41.99, 45.88...39.99. And of course, if you bought another game, then you got free shipping to go with your $40 vs. $60 game. This says nothing for the time value of money of him forking the money over months in advance to a major producer who doesn't even need the money to get their game made...unlike some more deserving upstarts trying to make a name for themselves and don't have your ridiculous resources.

You have reduced Kistarter to a platform for advertising and that I can forgive you. What I can't forgive is how you jerk around your customers insulting their intelligence and so often piss on them and then tell them it's raining.

It is about time you start doing things the "right" way, up front and honest...don't you think?


:cool3:
Daje, così, si fa! Piuttosto alterato, il tipo...ma non ha tutti i torti, ormai tutti ci marciano sopra al ks.
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Re: [KIckstarter] Age of Empires III: The Age of Discovery

Messaggioda Agzaroth » 14 feb 2015, 22:01

Hanno regalato una scatola di Rokoko ai 10 backers che facevano raggiungere i 100k dollari.
Si vede che gli avanzavano in magazzino :asd:
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Re: [KIckstarter] Age of Empires III: The Age of Discovery

Messaggioda Belmont09 » 15 feb 2015, 12:29

Erik ha scritto:
PS: ma avete visto la foto su BGG del bimbo asiatico che dipinge le miniature 1 a 1 :rotfl: :rotfl:


Anche io le ho fatte dipingere TUTTE ai miei figli, compresa la 6° fazione dell'espansione :twisted:

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Re: [KIckstarter] Age of Empires III: The Age of Discovery

Messaggioda Sveltolampo » 15 feb 2015, 17:37

...immagino sottopagati...

li hai comprati con una merendina vero???

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

a parte gli scherzi...complimenti!!!

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[KIckstarter] Age of Empires III: The Age of Discovery

Messaggioda Mik » 15 feb 2015, 20:16

@Agzaroth: anche su bgg sostengono che con l'upgrade la builder expansion non è compresa. Bisogna prendersela come add-on.
Non è molto chiara sta cosa :(

https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/132018 ... -confusing
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Re: [KIckstarter] Age of Empires III: The Age of Discovery

Messaggioda Belmont09 » 15 feb 2015, 20:58

Sveltolampo ha scritto:...immagino sottopagati...

li hai comprati con una merendina vero???

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

a parte gli scherzi...complimenti!!!

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Hehhehehe :frusta: :grin:
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Re: [KIckstarter] Age of Empires III: The Age of Discovery

Messaggioda Chironis » 15 feb 2015, 21:04

Mik ha scritto:@Agzaroth: anche su bgg sostengono che con l'upgrade la builder expansion non è compresa. Bisogna prendersela come add-on.
Non è molto chiara sta cosa :(

https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/132018 ... -confusing


In realtà a me sembra molto chiaro: nella descrizione dell'upgrade è scritto che se si è interessati all'espansione Builder bisogna andare a vedere gli add on.
Poi, nel primo add on, ovvero l'espansione the builder, si dice che questa è compresa nell'edizione deluxe, quindi se si è pledgiato 99$ NON si deve aggiungere questo add on.
Evidentemente, se si è preso solo l'upgrade invece, l'espansione Builder NON è compresa.
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Re: [KIckstarter] Age of Empires III: The Age of Discovery

Messaggioda Mik » 15 feb 2015, 21:12

Ti sembrerà chiaro (e anche io penso sia cosi), ma poco sopra si diceva il contrario perchè si era sbloccato lo stretch dell'espansione e l'upgrade sice che si ha diritto a tutti gli stretch.
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Re: [KIckstarter] Age of Empires III: The Age of Discovery

Messaggioda Agzaroth » 15 feb 2015, 21:17

Intanto hanno messo le monete in metallo come addon...e se si raggiungono i 200k diventano gratis per cui l'addon viene scalato...anche questo è un sistema mica tanto furbo.
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