Diceland

Gioco da Tavolo (GdT)
Anno: 2002 • Num. giocatori: 2-2 • Durata: 30 minuti
Categorie gioco:
Abstract StrategyDice
Sotto-categorie:
Abstract Games

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Persone con il gioco su BGG:
342
Voti su BGG:
196
Posizione in classifica BGG:
9640
Media voti su BGG:
5,66
Media bayesiana voti su BGG:
5,53

Voti e commenti per Diceland

4

Familiar components abounded when I opened the box of Diceland (Kidult Games, 2002 – Spartaco Albertarelli). As a dice lover, I was pleased to see forty dice, in two different colors – I thought that this could only mean good things. Hexes are also included, of different types of terrain (shades of Catan). And another two-player game would be good for my collection!

And my initial pleasure at seeing the components faded a little at reading the rules, and then faded a bit more when actually playing the game. The problem is that the game is – frankly – boring, and that the strategy and tactics is so outweighed by luck to cause the game to become quite unfun. This may surprise some, as I’m a big proponent of luck in games, but the luck is obscene in this game to the point of making some games pointless to play.

The basic game consists of the players building a board with the hexagons, using from eight to the maximum of thirty-six. Each player then takes an amount of dice to use in the game (equal to half of the tiles used to make the map + two). Both players roll all their dice, and the player rolling the most sixes places one die on any space on the map. The next player follows suit, and the players continue until every hex contains a die. Dice are left face up on the side that they were rolled, and whichever player has the higher total from the dice left over (the most clever mechanic in the game) gets to go first.

On a player’s turn, they do two things: attack (mandatory if possible), and move (possible, with restrictions). When attacking, a player can use any die on the board to attack any adjacent die. The attacking person rolls one of the dice that is to the side of the board and compares the number rolled to the number on the attacking die. Three things can happen…
- If the numbers are the same, it’s a “perfect” attack, and the defending die is lowered by that many points. If the defending die goes below one, it is eliminated.
- If the number is less than the number on the attacking die, then it is a “valid” attack, and the defending die is lowered by that many points, again eliminated if it goes below one. The attacking die is then replaced by the die that was rolled.
- If the number is greater than the number on the attacking die, then it is a “failed” attack, the defender is unchanged, and the attacker’s die value is lowered by one.
A player can attack with two dice, as long as they are adjacent to each other, and attacking the same space. He then rolls two dice, and can use either number, comparing it to either die to resolve the attack. After one die “kills” the other, the attacking die moves automatically into that die’s hexagon. After attacking, a player may move one other die one hexagon, as long as it’s not in contact with any enemy dice.

If, both players CANNOT attack each other two turns in a row, or if one player’s dice are eliminated, the game is over. The player who has the highest value of the dice left on the field wins the game (ties go to the player who moved first).

Several rules can be added for the advanced game. “Fatal Attraction” forces moving dice to move into contact with the opposition, if possible. “Grouping” allows a player to combine dice (meld a “1” die and a “4” die to get a “5” die). “Territories” adds special properties to certain hexes:
- Forests – Dice in forests can move away from adjacent opponents.
- Mountains – Mountains cannot be moved into during the game.
- Towns – At the end of a turn, a player can increase the die’s value by one.
- Hills – Combined attacks cannot be made against dice here.
- Plains – nothing

Some comments on the game:

1.) Components: The box is very sturdy (and bright) and has a great plastic insert that holds the pieces quite well. As I said earlier, it’s great to get forty red and blue dice in the box, and I can see that they would come in handy (for other games). The hexes would be neat, if I never saw another game. They’re pretty much the same size as Settlers of Catan, but the art isn’t that great, and they didn’t punch out of the frames very easily. When the board is set up, with the dice on, it does look fairly snazzy, though. Maybe it’s just all that dice on one table.

2.) Rules: The rules are printed in five languages in a thin, full-color booklet. There are seven pages of rules, which is frankly too much, and they aren’t very clear, with some translation errors. One was extremely important – the rules stated that when attacking with two dice, you had to choose the “highest” value. Rather, you can choose the “best” value. This is rather important to the game. The game is easy to teach, and the advanced rules are fairly simple, so they can really be taught in the first game.

3.) Website: Before I deride the game, let me again say that they should get major kudos for their website with downloadable hexes, rules, etc. Nice site!

4.) Luck: I’m sorry, but the game is just too based on luck. I dislike Risk, because the soundest strategy in Risk doesn’t work much of the time, because of dice rolls. The same holds true here. If your initial dice rolls are bad, you are frankly out of luck. And, throughout the game, it seems that luck is just a massive part. Does it matter if you attack with a six or a one? They both can lose, almost as easily. The advanced rules add a little to the strategy, but not much. The author spends almost a page in the rules trying to convince the reader that strategy plays an important part in the game, but I just don’t see it. We played the game and just were frustrated that one’s options were so obvious, there really weren’t many choices to be made.

5.) Theme and Fun Factor: A better theme might have helped. I’m a big fan of using dice as pieces in a game (I’m designing one myself), but I just can’t get into the theme of this game. And the game wasn’t really that fun. I tried to hype myself up as I rolled each attack die, but it just didn’t do it. Maybe as a multi-player game, but as a two-player game, I want something light and fun (that my wife would like), or something a bit heavier (for my gamer friends). The kids that saw the game pretty much just said “bleah”, and asked for Dice Run again (just as lucky, but a lot more fun.)

Well, I didn’t like this game, and neither did the folks with whom I played it with. No one said that it was a bad game, the word used was “boring”. And games should NEVER be boring, but should be fun! I’m not even sure what demographic this game is trying to appeal to. Is it war gamers? Casual gamers? It doesn’t seem to fit or satisfy any niche, but not for lack of trying. I applaud the designer for some original concepts and ideas, but gently chide him for forgetting to put “fun” in the box. If you want to get a good two-player game, I’m not sure this one should be on your list.

Tom Vasel

5

Ha meccaniche originali ma risulta troppo freddo per i miei gusti. Anche se fatto come questo di soli dadi, prefersico DiceRun di Spartaco e Kidult dove sono, per i miei gusti ripeto, riusciti a trasmettere una frequenza piu' giocosa e particolare al gioco. Puo' essere anche un 8 per chi ama il genere al limite dell' astratto.

3

forse il gioco più brutto, sia per le meccaniche che per la grafica, che abbia mai provato!

"...vince chi fa più punti vittoria..."

4

questo al contrario di dicerun non mi e' piaciuto per nulla

6

Il gioco ha alcune idee interessanti ed effettivamente non banali. Non trovo problemi nel suo essere un po' astratto, però la sufficienza la raggiunge più per il sistema di risoluzione dei combattimenti che per l'interessa del sistema di gioco, che in totale non mi soddisfa completamente.

7

Non capisco perchè non sia piaciuto,è un bel connubio tra fortuna e
strategia ed è anche abbastanza originale.
Io non lo trovo affatto noioso.

1

I've tryed it in Essen in 2005
This game is without any interrest... for me at least!

5

Nessun commento

Lobo Quando si gioca si combatte per un punto, massacriamo di fatica noi stessi per un punto, ci difendiamo con le unghie e coi denti per un punto, perché sappiamo che quando andremo a sommare tutti quei punti il totale farà la differenza!

8

E' un gioco di strategia di base. Semplice e divertente anche per chi non ha dimistichezza con miniature e giochi storici. C'è chi dice che è troppo basato sulla fortuna..... ma forse a poker non sanno bleffare;) .

5

Un bel tentativo di utilizzo dei dadi legati all'aspetto strategico. Può essere usato per introdurre un nuovo adepto al mondo degli strategici

Solo due cose sono infinite, l'universo e la stupidità umana, e non sono sicuro della prima
Albert Einstein

6

Nessun commento

6

Il gioco, di per sè, meriterebbe 5: poca strategia e troppa alea.
Tuttavia, si tratta grossomodo di un "canovaccio": ti danno una scatola con dentro dei materiali e dei consigli su come usarlo, lasciandoti poi personalizzarlo come più ti piace.

Potenziale che aumenta il voto a 6; sarebbe stato un 7 pieno, se non avessero chiuso il sito ufficiale dove, a detta del libretto che esce nella scatola, venivano pubblicate tutte le idee dei fans. Peccato.

Molto bello il design delle tessere

Quando ho un mano un American Game, non mi faccio scrupoli a modificarlo a mani basse per soddisfare le mie esigenze di gioco: sbilanciamenti immondi e situazioni assurde nel gioco fanno parte del divertimento

7

Un gioco forse troppo sottovalutato. Le battaglie che nascono sulla mappa non saranno forse dei wargames per appassionati, ma bìnecessitano di molta più strategia di quanto sembri - [Autore del commento: obelix]

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